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Post by thomaz on Jul 23, 2011 17:46:49 GMT -5
Hey there guys. New member here, but not new to Pokémon.  I've recorded a Speed run for Pokémon Blue before, using the Walk through Walls glitch and others, but now, I want to push the game even further and use ZZAZZ and it's item scrolling power to warp to the Hall of Fame. Here's the deal, I've done the glitch on both Red and Yellow on the emulator and they all worked. I was able to warp to the Hall of Fame by switching my money amount with the location item. But I can't get this to work on the original cart and I don't know why. In Yellow, I use a double Trainer/Fly glitch (Mew glitch/Ditto glitch, don't know what term you guys use.  ) to get the glitched trainer to appear (encounter a level 27 Kadabra to get Ditto of the glitch, then have Ditto transform in my Haunter with 254 Special). In Red, I just did a single Trainer/Fly and have Ditto transform in my Haunter with 254 Special. Both versions work on the emulator (only 19.3 and 19.4 of VBA though) but I can't get them to work on the carts. Whenever I throw a Poké Ball to escape the fight, head to the Poké Center to deposit and withdraw a Pokémon, heal, then get into a random encounter to scroll items doesn't work for some reason. I was hoping you guys know a sure way to be able to scroll items? There also seems to be a glitch attack that can scroll items, I heard? Please help, I really want to break this game even further.  |
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Post by Torchickens on Jul 24, 2011 12:26:21 GMT -5
Hey there guys. New member here, but not new to Pokémon. I've recorded a Speed run for Pokémon Blue before, using the Walk through Walls glitch and others, but now, I want to push the game even further and use ZZAZZ and it's item scrolling power to warp to the Hall of Fame. Here's the deal, I've done the glitch on both Red and Yellow on the emulator and they all worked. I was able to warp to the Hall of Fame by switching my money amount with the location item. But I can't get this to work on the original cart and I don't know why. In Yellow, I use a double Trainer/Fly glitch (Mew glitch/Ditto glitch, don't know what term you guys use. ) to get the glitched trainer to appear (encounter a level 27 Kadabra to get Ditto of the glitch, then have Ditto transform in my Haunter with 254 Special). In Red, I just did a single Trainer/Fly and have Ditto transform in my Haunter with 254 Special. Both versions work on the emulator (only 19.3 and 19.4 of VBA though) but I can't get them to work on the carts. Whenever I throw a Poké Ball to escape the fight, head to the Poké Center to deposit and withdraw a Pokémon, heal, then get into a random encounter to scroll items doesn't work for some reason. I was hoping you guys know a sure way to be able to scroll items? There also seems to be a glitch attack that can scroll items, I heard? Please help, I really want to break this game even further. Hi Thomaz, I've seen you from the speed run archives. I'm sorry but I honestly don't know what to suggest. ZZAZZ data corruption through depositing Pokémon has always confused me, and I assumed that what hanzou, p4wn3r, gia, etc. did worked the same on a real cartridge. How many Pokémon did you have in the party, was it a multiple of three? Were the attack stages for the ZZAZZ Trainer exactly the same? Have you tried using different attack stages for the ZZAZZ Trainer, or the glitch classes associated with 252 and 253 instead to see if that makes any difference? The glitch attack which you are referring to is probably one of the glitch attacks with index number 172-193 (hex 0xAC to to 0xC3), though not much is really known about them other than the fact that they trigger a 'TMTRAINER effect' in battle (i.e. the music fades, the opponent acquires a freeze/burn status and lots of HP before fainting due to the burn). A long time ago, before the old forums went offline a user called Okk said that the first Super Glitch move is related to the Pokémon data structure (though I can't remember the exact quote). Again, I'm sorry to not have been of any real help. |
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Post by Torchickens on Aug 26, 2011 14:28:41 GMT -5
Hey there guys. New member here, but not new to Pokémon. I've recorded a Speed run for Pokémon Blue before, using the Walk through Walls glitch and others, but now, I want to push the game even further and use ZZAZZ and it's item scrolling power to warp to the Hall of Fame. Here's the deal, I've done the glitch on both Red and Yellow on the emulator and they all worked. I was able to warp to the Hall of Fame by switching my money amount with the location item. But I can't get this to work on the original cart and I don't know why. In Yellow, I use a double Trainer/Fly glitch (Mew glitch/Ditto glitch, don't know what term you guys use. ) to get the glitched trainer to appear (encounter a level 27 Kadabra to get Ditto of the glitch, then have Ditto transform in my Haunter with 254 Special). In Red, I just did a single Trainer/Fly and have Ditto transform in my Haunter with 254 Special. Both versions work on the emulator (only 19.3 and 19.4 of VBA though) but I can't get them to work on the carts. Whenever I throw a Poké Ball to escape the fight, head to the Poké Center to deposit and withdraw a Pokémon, heal, then get into a random encounter to scroll items doesn't work for some reason. I was hoping you guys know a sure way to be able to scroll items? There also seems to be a glitch attack that can scroll items, I heard? Please help, I really want to break this game even further. Hey Thomaz, I think I've found an answer for your speedrunning? If you use 'Jacred' (Special 200), and lower the attack stage to 5, or increase it to 8, then it will change your item pack limit and fill it with a load of items with "POKéTRAINER" as soon as you come into battle, without the need of depositing Pokémon into the PC or a higher Special stat. The only problem is, that it corrupts the overworld, once you throw a Master Ball, would it still be possible to warp to the Hall of Fame? I have sent a message with my VBM move (snapshot file) to p4wn3r who was doing previous ZZAZZ glitch speedruns, to ask if he could analyze the new glitch. VBA 1.7.2 v.19.3 movie www.megaupload.com/?d=VXQUMHFF |
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Post by GARY 'M 9 on Aug 26, 2011 20:23:17 GMT -5
Hey there guys. New member here, but not new to Pokémon. I've recorded a Speed run for Pokémon Blue before, using the Walk through Walls glitch and others, but now, I want to push the game even further and use ZZAZZ and it's item scrolling power to warp to the Hall of Fame. Here's the deal, I've done the glitch on both Red and Yellow on the emulator and they all worked. I was able to warp to the Hall of Fame by switching my money amount with the location item. But I can't get this to work on the original cart and I don't know why. In Yellow, I use a double Trainer/Fly glitch (Mew glitch/Ditto glitch, don't know what term you guys use. ) to get the glitched trainer to appear (encounter a level 27 Kadabra to get Ditto of the glitch, then have Ditto transform in my Haunter with 254 Special). In Red, I just did a single Trainer/Fly and have Ditto transform in my Haunter with 254 Special. Both versions work on the emulator (only 19.3 and 19.4 of VBA though) but I can't get them to work on the carts. Whenever I throw a Poké Ball to escape the fight, head to the Poké Center to deposit and withdraw a Pokémon, heal, then get into a random encounter to scroll items doesn't work for some reason. I was hoping you guys know a sure way to be able to scroll items? There also seems to be a glitch attack that can scroll items, I heard? Please help, I really want to break this game even further. Hey Thomaz, I think I've found an answer for your speedrunning? If you use 'Jacred' (Special 200), and lower the attack stage to 5, or increase it to 8, then it will change your item pack limit and fill it with a load of items with "POKéTRAINER" as soon as you come into battle, without the need of depositing Pokémon into the PC or a higher Special stat. The only problem is, that it corrupts the overworld, once you throw a Master Ball, would it still be possible to warp to the Hall of Fame? I have sent a message with my VBM move (snapshot file) to p4wn3r who was doing previous ZZAZZ glitch speedruns, to ask if he could analyze the new glitch. VBA 1.7.2 v.19.3 movie www.megaupload.com/?d=VXQUMHFFDoes the entire overworld get corrupted or just the area you're around? You could use teleport or fly or an escape rope to get out of this, and does this work on a cart? On a second note, VBA is very inaccurate. I suggest testing things like this with kiGB or NGB(?) for better assurance that it works on real hardware. |
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Post by thomaz on Aug 28, 2011 15:21:25 GMT -5
Thanks, Torchickens!
I was actually able to corrupt items on the real cart, just now!
But yeah, I'm not sure about warping though. I've tried to switch some items around (the "money" item and a different item) and they DO do something, but I'm not sure if I can actually warp.
I can't acces my Pokémon though, the screen goes white just like regular ZZAZZ.
Testing is a pain too, since I use Charmeleon as my Growler and it has just barely the health to survive a low damage roll Tackle from Dittostoise. There's Tail Whip too though, but next time, I'll do use a Venusaur or something. But I try to test as much as possible. =)
Edit: ok, so I went back to my ZZAZZ emulated run and noticed I used the wrong items for warping. This time, on the cart, I switched the 21st item with the Max Potion, but it didn't warp (surrounding did change though, so maybe I did after all lol?). Perhaps it pulls from a different menu and I gotta use a different item. 22nd item didn't work either.
Just to be sure, I'll check which item actually controls the location, because I'm not sure wether it's the strange sign or the Max Potion. Yay for save state during ZZAZZ for Red (I'm doing the Jacred glitch on my Blue, but it shouldn't matter).
Edit2: yeah, strange sign is definitely the money (switching it for anything changes the money amount) and changing the Max Potion warps you to random things lol. For a minute, I was on route 6, then bam, Pewter City lawl. I love the random warping.
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Post by thomaz on Sept 5, 2011 15:53:08 GMT -5
Sorry for double posting, but at least people will know that I've found some new things lol. So, I've been testing it on both the cart and the VBA and I came to the conclusion that this glitch probably is not helpful for warping.  As seen in your vid (and also by checking myself), I deducted that the money becomes a huge number, 999950 to be exact. And unless I can find a way to change the money mid-battle, I won't be able to use that for warping. I also tested the Trainer ID warping and while I didn't really know which item in the list is the Trainer ID, I don't think it matters. With a bit of calculating, I figured out a random ID that would warp me to the Hall of Fame, but when I checked in the memory viewer at the Trainer ID address during the glitch, I found that the Trainer ID is changed as well, it becomes 99 99 in hex or 39321 in decimal. I tried all kind of things while in the corrupted overworld, but nothing actually seemed to work. I was able to get Ash to face forward while backwalking and other odd things. Pressing Start is sometimes needed to "load" a path or something (surrounding also changes when pressing Start). Also, at certain spots (a lot actually), you can walk endlessly, but when you press Start, you'll notice you never moved from your position (walking up/down most of the time). It's a fun glitch and all, but if I don't find an item that can warp me that isn't changed by the glitch or find a way to get into a building in hopes of the overworld being reset, I won't be able to use it for speedrunning. I guess I could try out some other things with a "regular" ZZAZZ run, like using different Pokémon, but we'll see. |
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) to get the glitched trainer to appear (encounter a level 27 Kadabra to get Ditto of the glitch, then have Ditto transform in my Haunter with 254 Special).
