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Post by Tombstoner on Jul 5, 2011 17:03:45 GMT -5
I found out about this a few months ago when a friend showed me. I actually saw the Hidden Wiki, etc., but she was very adept computer-wise (had multiple layers of security upon startup and had this weird OS, etc.) and I have decided to keep my distance from it for the time being. Search it up and you will find some forum threads explaining it. I know some of you on here must know of the unseen activity on the net. How safe is it? Anything I should know? Is it worth checking out?
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Post by Yuzihax on Jul 5, 2011 19:19:08 GMT -5
e: okay fuck it i am confused and do not know what i am talking about.
disregard pls.
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Post by winmaster on Jul 5, 2011 19:49:51 GMT -5
Fascinating. Its not that difficult to get on, but I have a feeling that it should not be used unless you definitely know what you're doing.
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Post by Torchickens on Jul 5, 2011 20:30:12 GMT -5
I thought that the 'Deep Web' just referred to hidden, unsearchable/unlinked content that exists in general, but is 'invisible' as such? If you just started up a new domain name, with a crazy name like rgjr30iogojir.com wouldn't it be technically part of the Deep Web in the sense that you likely wouldn't be able to find it other than typing in the address itself, because search engines generally use crawlers to grab their results anyway? Unrelated, but its interesting how new Youtube videos are now usually indexed by Google straight away a small moment after they are uploaded, which I find a little biased in favour of Google. Search engines often change the result order depending on factors like your current search history, location, etc. too, so I often use DuckDuckGo instead of Google now, which does not track your search history, and also eliminates some spam pages. The 'hidden Wiki' is apparently part of the "Tor"/ .onion anonymity network. Apparently, it's just supposed to be just a resource listing services Tor offers and information about how to configure Tor, and supposedly people have been abusing it for the wrong reasons. I don't know what I'm talking about so I'm just quoting what I could find which wasn't along the lines of "hide behind 10 proxies or you'll die". Sorry.
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Post by ciel4 on Jul 6, 2011 4:03:19 GMT -5
I've read on various forums from people that use Tor that it's safe, but the small amount of experience I've had with it personally has convinced me that I don't have the patience or the time to use it because it is very slow. I recall talking to someone once about it and him saying that he payed for a service that took advantage of the Tor network in a way that made it work at his normal connection speed most of the time while adding another couple layers of anonymity to his connection. I think it had something to do with mapping nodes... Anyway, in my experience, Tor alone is highly impractical and only useful if you're desperate for anonymity.
If you're interested in Tor, you may also look into Freenet. I heard a little about it once but haven't tried it yet, though I've meant to. It's supposedly like a Torrent version of the internet, only more anonymous. I expect its reliability and speed will be similar to downloading files by Torrent.
You're never truly anonymous, no matter how clever or shielded you may be. Still, Tor makes tracking uploaders and downloaders of web content extremely difficult, so much so that law enforcement doesn't waste its time dealing with those who abuse it except in extreme cases. Incidentally I imagine you're likely to find some "colorful" content on Tor which is one more reason I'm hesitant to use it in spite of my fascination.
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Post by blahpy on Jul 6, 2011 4:08:44 GMT -5
Just make sure you use a trustworthy exit node, don't wana end up having authentication details stolen...
And I wouldn't suggest torrenting over Tor either, I heard it makes people quite mad.
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Post by ciel4 on Jul 6, 2011 4:13:52 GMT -5
Just make sure you use a trustworthy exit node Good advice. I'd prefer to never send any sensitive information at all over Tor.
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Post by winmaster on Jul 6, 2011 11:58:38 GMT -5
Yes, I thought that at first too, but after doing a bit of reading, it turns out that the "deep web" is in fact hidden from normal users, as all of the websites have .onion (at least for tor) addresses which cannot be resolved if you are not using tor. (It appears that there are other services that let you access the deep web at other addresses).
Yes, Tor is quite slow (I usually get about 30 KB/s), though my DSL is slow itself, and it was not long ago that I was stuck with dial-up, so for me at least, Tor's speeds don't bother me.
Theoretically, Tor is completely anonymous if all of the nodes followed the guidelines. Every node knows only where to forward the information and where that node received it from, so if at least one node in the chain (I believe there's usually three) doesn't keep logs, then it is impossible to trace the data. Of course, this may not always be the case in the real world.
This shouldn't be an issue if you use HTTPS, as the data would be encrypted when the exit node sees it.
Yes, the Tor network can't handle torrenting properly because its slow and fairly unstable, so torrenting just causes problems, thoug the Hidden Wiki has instructions on how to set it up.
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Post by Nerritti on Jul 6, 2011 12:56:41 GMT -5
There's nothing remarkable about the "deep web" (as in onion sites). It's not really difficult to access, but it's not worth it anyway. Child porn and gore, and ways to buy drugs online.
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Post by iimarckus on Jul 6, 2011 22:21:22 GMT -5
Theoretically, Tor is completely anonymous if all of the nodes followed the guidelines. Yes, if. I’ve heard that if a malicious party controls some percentage of the nodes (40% or 60% IIRC), he can identify everything. This shouldn't be an issue if you use HTTPS, as the data would be encrypted when the exit node sees it. Provided you check your certificates. Your average web surfer (and, I fear, your average Tor user) will probably click through any browser warnings.
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Post by WhenInRome on Jul 13, 2011 13:20:28 GMT -5
Uh, what does this have to do with Pokemon glitches? There's a General Discussion category, you know.
(Also, the deep web is just anything that isn't indexed by search engines, so any page hidden by robots.txt is part of the "deep web". It's not some scary back alley with hitmen and drug dealers)
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Post by winmaster on Jul 13, 2011 20:30:30 GMT -5
The Deep Web seems to refer to websites that are actually inaccessible by normal web browsing. Websites with a .onion address are an example. Also, I believe this sub forum is a temporary replacement for the GCL forums, so it can be thought of as a separate community from the one at profglitch.proboards.com. For instance, I only visit this sub forum.
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Post by Adrian Malacoda on Jul 13, 2011 22:53:46 GMT -5
Torchickens and WhenInRome are correct. The Deep Web is the larger body of stuff that exists below the "surface Web," or that small portion of the Web that can be accessed through a search engine alone. Darknets and hidden sites (such as those accessed by tor, or Freenet) are not related to the deep web.
And, yeah, tor is rather slow. I think this is because of all the people filesharing over it.
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Post by LobsterMts on Jul 15, 2011 8:57:31 GMT -5
The weird OS you're referring must be Tails, a Linux system that includes Tor, etc. tails.boum.org/ The "Deep Web" isn't really secret. Any website can hide their content from searchengines with a simple robots.txt file.
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