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Confirming the full Johto Guard glitch
« Thread Started on Apr 4, 2011, 6:18pm »

Regarding the Johto Guard glitch from long ago. I can confirm it, although I'm not sure what determines the actual species (it becomes a glitch Pokémon with a higher index number than the original G/S/C Pokémon [unless this loops over 255]), though it mean more non Japanese Red/Blue glitch Pokémon for us to experiment with without using a Gameshark! One additional step was required which we missed, which involves 'stabilizing' the obtained Pokémon (which would turn into an 'M/3trainerpoké) via Route 5's Daycare Centre, which I think was mentioned before but never tried?

I tried this glitch with a Sentret, which became a 'M nicknamed 'SENTRET', though depositing it into daycare turned into the equivalent glitch Pokémon for the original Gold/Silver Pokémon though with index number +39 ("U ?" index #200).

There are three 'rules' to this glitch, which are as follows:

1) Although a ????? (254 and 255: I'm not sure about 000 and 252) will hide Johto Pokémon below it, allowing access to the Time Capsule it does not hide the Gold/Silver/Crystal exclusive moves, so you will have to delete those via the Move Deleter first.
2) A G/S Pokémon species with index #>151 (0x98) will turn to an 'M hex 00; however it seems to be only an unstable hybrid.
3) The actual species is linked with the Pokémon index number +(something) if it has an index number >151 on Gold/Silver.

Steps:
1) Obtain a ????? [hex 0xFF] and use it to hide a Gold/Silver Pokémon (with any Generation II exclusive moves deleted).
2) Trade the Gold/Silver Pokémon to Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow. It should turn into an 'M/3trainerpoké
3) Take the 'M/3trainerpoké into Route 8's daycare and immediately withdraw it. It shall turn into a Pokémon with index number of the original Gold/Silver/Crystal Pokémon +39 provided that the original G/S/C index number was above 151. (I haven't tested with G/S/C Pokémon with index numbers above 216 yet).

There's a complication somewhere which I'm still confused about though, because the glitch Pokémon is not always the same as the index number original G/S/C +39, as seen with the Celebi used in this video. It became a Nidoran♀ which is of index number 21 (hex 0x15), even though 251 + 39 (modulo 256) is not 21 and is instead 4.

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Re: Confirming the full Johto Guard glitch
« Reply #1 on Apr 8, 2011, 4:31am »

Hi Torchickens.

Johto Guard Glitch only works using a glitch Pokémon no. 255 (with 000, 252, 253 and 254 don´t works).

I've found something useful. Once inside of the Capsule Time, in G/S/C before to enter in the trade screen switch to 255 at the last position in the party. This prevents that the G/S/C Pokémon turn into 'M/3trainerpoké when trade them to R/B/Y.

Johto Guard Glitch is very confusing. In my case Sentret turn into in the same glitch Pokémon as in you video but Celebi turn into in a Mankey, strangely Cyndaquil turn into in the same glitch Pokémon as Sentret.

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Torchickens, How do your videos with 2 Pokémon versions linked?

Some version of the TGB Dual emulator has that function?

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Re: Confirming the full Johto Guard glitch
« Reply #2 on Apr 8, 2011, 7:47am »

Apr 8, 2011, 4:31am, Paco81 wrote:

Hi Paco. That's really helpful. Thanks for the information.

Apr 8, 2011, 4:31am, Paco81 wrote:

Torchickens, How do your videos with 2 Pokémon versions linked?

Some version of the TGB Dual emulator has that function?

To record, I used an external application called CamStudio.

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It appears that the conversion list for Pokémon index numbers 1-250 is hard-coded into the ROM in G/S/C (R/B/Y Pokémon read to G/S/C), but I'm still really confused as to what happened to Celebi.

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How to read it:

R/B/Y -> G/S/C:

If you take the first value and call it hex:01 we get hex:70. In Generation I, since 01 is Rhydon, trading a Rhydon from R/B/Y will give you hex:70; the index number for Rhydon in Generation II. If you take the second value and call it 02 (Kangaskhan in Generation I) we get hex:73, the index number for Kangaskhan in Generation II.

G/S/C -> R/B/Y:

We can do the reverse, and search for the index number of the G/S/C Pokémon from the block data highlighted in the picture. From there we can count how late it appears in the block to deduce its R/B/Y index number.

This list apparently applies to all glitch Pokémon (except RB/Y:000) up to the (FA) [250]th index number. Trading a RB/Y: FA ('glitcherino'/ゥゥ♂), gives hex:D3 (211), Qwilfish, so (in theory), you would need to transfer a Qwilfish over from G/S/C to get 'glitcherino' or ゥゥ♂.

Paco, did your Cyndaquil become a ".4"? If we look for Cyndaquil (9B) it corresponds to hex:C2 (194), which is the index number of .4/pPkMnp. ".4" and "U?" both use the 'Pokémania' type and a Pokédex number of 234 .

I saw such a list before on Bulbapedia, but unfortunately overlooked its meaning. Bulbapedia's list of Pokémon by index number (Generation I) has a simplified version of the list, with the equivalent Pokémon added by Koolboyman.

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Re: Confirming the full Johto Guard glitch
« Reply #3 on Apr 11, 2011, 4:47am »

Torchickens, thanks a lot for your explanation was very helpful for me.

The Bulbapedia's list is correct, I traded a Qwilfish to Red version and turned into a Glitcherino. Also I traded a Shuckle and turned in Missingno Hex 20 for try evolve fire types Pokémon (Vulpix, Eevee, Growlithe) without Fire Stone and it worked.

Another method for trade G/S/C Pokémon to R/B/Y is:

In G/S/C get hybrid Pokémon (GSC Pokémon with RBY sprite Pokémon), then also is possible enter to Capsule Time with GSC Pokémon.

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In RBY stabilize the hybrid Pokémon (without HM moves) via Route 5's Daycare Center.

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Re: Confirming the full Johto Guard glitch
« Reply #4 on Oct 30, 2011, 8:30pm »

How do you get an hybrid pkmn on GSC?

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